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Post by ~`*`~SaGeHaWk~`*`~ on Feb 28, 2008 14:17:41 GMT -5
Credit- This was written by a guy on a site. Not me. If i had the sire link I would put it here but I dont. This guy has some very good points. Some comical. But if anyone would like to discuss any of these points seriously that would be cool. Other than than I am just posting this cuz to me its funny. If you are, or maybe offended by christianity being scrutinized, please turn back now! Thank you and enjoy! ---- Why is it so easy for me to distort the word of God? Shouldn't an all-powerfull, all-knowing being be able to write more clearly?
to people thay say the Bible as just another inspirational work:
What do you find inspiring about the atrocities that constitute much of the old testament? What do you find inspiring about the new testament's message of eternal damnation for those who fail to embrace exactly the right set of beliefs? Why should I slog through the racism, sexism, absurdities and atrocities to find the occasional bit of inspiration when there are thousands of other inspirational works available? Why should I rely on any book for inspiration when sunsets, flowers, and big piles of sauerkraut with wieners chopped up in them are all readily available?
Gods punishment AIDS: If AIDS is God's punishment for sex, why is a little piece of rubber so effective at preventing it? Are all sins absolved when committed in conjunction with rubber, or just those related to sex? Can I, for example, worship graven images so long as they're made out of rubber?
Christian Metaphysics: Can anyone explain: Why did God sacrifice Himself to Himself so that He could correct a mistake He made Himself?
How does the crucifixion count as an appropriate sacrifice? Jesus spent a few hours, maybe a day, in agonizing pain; but it was no greater pain than millions of others have suffered. If Jesus really is God, then He knew exactly what was happening, and exactly how long it would last. When it was done, He supposedly ascended to heaven and became the all-powerful ruler of the universe. This is infinitely greater compensation than even the faithful will receive, and infinitely less torture that the damned will receive.
Please reconcile these two statements: "Without evil, there can be no good", "God is all-good."
Please reconcile these two statements: "With God, nothing is impossible", "You can't be saved unless you accept Jesus as your savior."
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Post by Shiki on Feb 29, 2008 21:20:27 GMT -5
Oh god I have too many images for this topic. Notice this says "Faith", not Christianity. All religions are pretty much applicable there. But how can you say no to this badass motherscrewer? When he is reborn, Manly Jesus will rape the corpse of Mary Magdalene AND the Roman empire that messed with him, just you watch. Oh, and that last part always gets to people. Putting it into a logic equation, it would be: All things in existence have an opposing force. Because of this, both must be finite by simple law of the universe. The anti-thesis to life is death, if life is infinite in a world, death cannot exist. The opposite of joy is grief, if grief is infinite, joy cannot exist. God is said to be an all-powerful, all-good being. Therefore, evil cannot exist, an all-good being created us, how was evil created from something that does not possess it? Ergo, God either did not create us, or it is a being of both good an evil. It is to be credited both for miracles, and genocide. And lastly, shameless plug for my agenda: www.mwillett.org/atheism/atheism1.htm
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Post by Sagechild on Feb 29, 2008 21:42:36 GMT -5
Yay!
I follow a religion where there is no really good contradicting evidence to our theories and beliefs.
Also, we do use science from time to time. CORRECT science.
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Post by Tobi-sama on Feb 29, 2008 21:56:48 GMT -5
I'm a mix.
I think God is real, and that he gave us our will.
He made the universe, and ever now and then will change a few things.
Case and point-1.3 billon years after the earth was formed, life just started. I belive he had something to do with it.
I don't know why people just can't get that God made science, or something like that.
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Post by Shiki on Feb 29, 2008 22:11:02 GMT -5
Yay! I follow a religion where there is no really good contradicting evidence to our theories and beliefs. Also, we do use science from time to time. CORRECT science. I can respect a religion that embraces actual science over blind faith, which is why I hate Scientology with the intense power of one thousand suns, but you guys seriously need to get rid of that witchcraft and sorcery crap, it's just creepy and is far more fitting in some antisocial fat chicks Harry Potter fanfic than seriously practiced. Even though I'm sure casting magic missile and hexing people is great, it just makes it seem juvenile and a means to escape from reality. Other than that, from what I've read about Paganism and Wicca, it seems like it preaches all the right things, quite accepting. It's just too bad their spiritual beliefs are even more off the wall than Christianity.
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Post by Tobi-sama on Feb 29, 2008 22:15:46 GMT -5
Well, look at it like this nero.
They didn't kill everyone that was non-christ loving for the last...700 years.
I know too much of the crap Christ lovers have done to Jews, and other major things.
I'm just fine with witchcraft, if it worked.
Real Magic (which is not real...as...well...its bloody MAGIC!)= Cool
Fake magic = hope you die a painful AIDS infested death.
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Post by ~`*`~SaGeHaWk~`*`~ on Mar 1, 2008 0:09:45 GMT -5
Yay! I follow a religion where there is no really good contradicting evidence to our theories and beliefs. Also, we do use science from time to time. CORRECT science. I can respect a religion that embraces actual science over blind faith, which is why I hate Scientology with the intense power of one thousand suns, but you guys seriously need to get rid of that witchcraft and sorcery crap, it's just creepy and is far more fitting in some antisocial fat chicks Harry Potter fanfic than seriously practiced. Even though I'm sure casting magic missile and hexing people is great, it just makes it seem juvenile and a means to escape from reality. Other than that, from what I've read about Paganism and Wicca, it seems like it preaches all the right things, quite accepting. It's just too bad their spiritual beliefs are even more off the wall than Christianity. actually 'magick' in the real sense is quite psychological and scientific... its quite opposite from what you see in the media. So its not quite off the wall as it may seem, the thing is it just attracts harry potter wanabes that think that is what magick really is..
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Post by Sagechild on Mar 1, 2008 15:28:59 GMT -5
I can respect a religion that embraces actual science over blind faith, which is why I hate Scientology with the intense power of one thousand suns, but you guys seriously need to get rid of that witchcraft and sorcery crap, it's just creepy and is far more fitting in some antisocial fat chicks Harry Potter fanfic than seriously practiced. Even though I'm sure casting magic missile and hexing people is great, it just makes it seem juvenile and a means to escape from reality. Other than that, from what I've read about Paganism and Wicca, it seems like it preaches all the right things, quite accepting. It's just too bad their spiritual beliefs are even more off the wall than Christianity. actually 'magick' in the real sense is quite psychological and scientific... its quite opposite from what you see in the media. So its not quite off the wall as it may seem, the thing is it just attracts harry potter wanabes that think that is what magick really is.. <.< It's an extension on mind-over-matter, which rewards hard work and devotion to something. We can't just cast a spell, and get an 'A' on a test. We have to work at it, and even then, it doesn't just help. Spells are more of a ritualistic manifestation of mind-over-matter that help us believe something will happen, and make it more easily achieveable.
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Post by ~`*`~SaGeHaWk~`*`~ on Mar 1, 2008 16:57:34 GMT -5
actually 'magick' in the real sense is quite psychological and scientific... its quite opposite from what you see in the media. So its not quite off the wall as it may seem, the thing is it just attracts harry potter wanabes that think that is what magick really is.. <.< It's an extension on mind-over-matter, which rewards hard work and devotion to something. We can't just cast a spell, and get an 'A' on a test. We have to work at it, and even then, it doesn't just help. Spells are more of a ritualistic manifestation of mind-over-matter that help us believe something will happen, and make it more easily achieveable. like i said.. more psychological...
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Post by Tobi-sama on Mar 1, 2008 21:12:01 GMT -5
...so you mean, you think God will let you get an A, but you have to work hard to get it?
I find no real point to that.
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Post by Shiki on Mar 1, 2008 21:46:19 GMT -5
I see, so rather than believing the spells and magic actually have a significant and tangible effect on the material world, it's more of a spectral and intrapersonal situation on your own body and mindset? As long as there's no claims that you can manipulate the elements and crap, it seems hundreds of times less...ludicrous, I suppose would be the word.
I'm glad that there's finally some people to talk to that know what seems to be orthodox for Neo(?)-Paganism, every time I've asked other people that claim they are Wiccan over the years, they always ended up more or less admitting they don't know crap about it, and just chose to be one because they have some vendetta against Christians and social norms.
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Post by ~`*`~SaGeHaWk~`*`~ on Mar 1, 2008 22:00:35 GMT -5
I see, so rather than believing the spells and magic actually have a significant and tangible effect on the material world, it's more of a spectral and intrapersonal situation on your own body and mindset? As long as there's no claims that you can manipulate the elements and crap, it seems hundreds of times less...ludicrous, I suppose would be the word. I'm glad that there's finally some people to talk to that know what seems to be orthodox for Neo(?)-Paganism, every time I've asked other people that claim they are Wiccan over the years, they always ended up more or less admitting they don't know crap about it, and just chose to be one because they have some vendetta against Christians and social norms. yes I know what you mean the real wiccans and neo-pagans even the real traditionalists get bad names becasue people usually use the religion to rebel against the norm. Personally if you just wanna do that, just be atheist. but i guess that isnt as big of a shock as "hey mom Im a witch!" *shrugs* people are idiots .. now there is a spiritual element that goes in to spell work.. but you dont have to tie it to a deity.. you could technicly be athiest witch if you wanted.. I will also be honest with you, there is some type of power humans in general have that can not be seen nor explained. such as thinking so hard about something then it actually hapening with out you really making an effort. I assume that has some type of science behind it, but i dont think we have discovered enough about the human brain to know exactly what it is, or how it works. But wicca and other pagan religions have found out ways of useing this unknown power. and even non-religious people. Just read or watch the recent book/movie called The Secret. that explains this 'power' that humans seem to possess.. some of us even use it with out realizing it. Like famous people that have made an impact on the world (good or bad) have used the secret. Hitler, Mother Terica, MLKJ ect. so i guess this is were people can get confused about what magick really is..
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Post by Tobi-sama on Mar 2, 2008 1:53:15 GMT -5
So...it's like god is a drug that you can use to do stuff that you can do without the drug, but with it it's alot better?
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Post by ~`*`~SaGeHaWk~`*`~ on Mar 2, 2008 4:07:57 GMT -5
So...it's like god is a drug that you can use to do stuff that you can do without the drug, but with it it's alot better? something like that.. you can actually feel high when you do magick.. WITHOUT drugs mind you i swear to god no lie..
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Post by Tobi-sama on Mar 2, 2008 11:35:53 GMT -5
Ok.
Why do you spell it odd?
It went from magic to magick.
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